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markyhogg
26-10-2008, 11:05 AM
would it be possible to steal a ecu out of a vts as it is 125bhp and fit it to my gt taking the bhp of the gt from 110bhp to 125bhp?

elniniol999
26-10-2008, 11:08 AM
98% sure the answer is no

Oldschool
26-10-2008, 01:13 PM
No.

R2-C2
26-10-2008, 01:25 PM
no, am sure there is other reasons why the vts is 125bhp, its not just he ecu

ellis
26-10-2008, 01:41 PM
if you were to change the inlet manifold and cams also then the answer is YES.

lip_vts
26-10-2008, 02:38 PM
i dont think its as easy as that you know how tempremental these engines are lol best advice is to stick with what you got i would say theirs more than just the ecu that gives the vts its extra power

Madmike46
26-10-2008, 06:10 PM
Very mixed oppinions about this?

Surly the answer is YES, but with out the cams and inlet manifold, (and other differences, if there are some??) you wont see much increase?

ellis
26-10-2008, 08:33 PM
there's no point in even trying, cams and inlet manifold and then it's deffinately possible!

Oldschool
26-10-2008, 11:29 PM
if you were to change the inlet manifold and cams also then the answer is YES.

The answer is NO.

There is a bit more to it.

Madmike46
26-10-2008, 11:49 PM
if you were to change the inlet manifold and cams also then the answer is YES.

The answer is NO.

There is a bit more to it.

Such as?

Like trying to get blood out a stone this place!

Oldschool
27-10-2008, 01:12 AM
if you were to change the inlet manifold and cams also then the answer is YES.

The answer is NO.

There is a bit more to it.

Such as?

Like trying to get blood out a stone this place!

There will be a communication problem, which will lock the ECU.

You can get the power difference sorted with the existing ECU. proper induction and exhaust, which is the cheaper route and gets you inexcess of 140bhp.

Reyyyyy
27-10-2008, 04:45 PM
So if you want to get bigger power from a gt/vtr is the vts inlet mani the way to go?

Madmike46
27-10-2008, 10:15 PM
if you were to change the inlet manifold and cams also then the answer is YES.

The answer is NO.

There is a bit more to it.

Such as?

Like trying to get blood out a stone this place!

There will be a communication problem, which will lock the ECU.

You can get the power difference sorted with the existing ECU. proper induction and exhaust, which is the cheaper route and gets you inexcess of 140bhp.

Ok thanks for the info. Ill be keeping my GT for a few years so thats why I wanted to know. My mate works at a Citroen garage and I was hoping I would be able to pick up VTS "go faster bits" from a few specialist breakers yards. But yea hopefully some good spec, not crazy, but realistic, is what I'm lookin towards.

Cheers.

Oldschool
28-10-2008, 12:51 AM
So if you want to get bigger power from a gt/vtr is the vts inlet mani the way to go?

Not really. Best is to get induction, exhaust and re-map and power will exceed VTS by quite a margin. More details you will find on perfromancec2.co.uk.

mefmotorsport
30-10-2008, 08:35 AM
The VTS has the alloy plenum chamber which has suprerior air flow characteristics than the plastic one on the VTR & GT. Also there are rumours that the VTS cams may be different but I cant confirm this.

Martin

hughes741
30-10-2008, 11:27 AM
So if you want to get bigger power from a gt/vtr is the vts inlet mani the way to go?

Not really. Best is to get induction, exhaust and re-map and power will exceed VTS by quite a margin. More details you will find on perfromancec2.co.uk.

lol id say 120bhp max

Oldschool
30-10-2008, 12:21 PM
So if you want to get bigger power from a gt/vtr is the vts inlet mani the way to go?

Not really. Best is to get induction, exhaust and re-map and power will exceed VTS by quite a margin. More details you will find on perfromancec2.co.uk.

lol id say 120bhp max

Our findings are different and it has been repeatedly shown similar results.

hughes741
30-10-2008, 01:57 PM
So if you want to get bigger power from a gt/vtr is the vts inlet mani the way to go?

Not really. Best is to get induction, exhaust and re-map and power will exceed VTS by quite a margin. More details you will find on perfromancec2.co.uk.

lol id say 120bhp max

Our findings are different and it has been repeatedly shown similar results.

so you honestly think you can get 30bhp from an exhaust and remap :lol: i dont think craig got that much and he has done alot more work

Oldschool
30-10-2008, 04:43 PM
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done. James' Gt is with an exhaust I wouldn't consider the best, a proper induction (not K&N rubbish) and re-map at 137bhp and over 140lb ft of torque.

When you are doing this job for 29 years then we can discuss this in more detail.

Darkshadows
30-10-2008, 07:32 PM
I can back oldschool up on this

You can get alot out of the c2 engine

I have not yet to give my car to pete but i am at 132 with a manifold and exhaust

I personally think i will be at 150 + after i have a gsr induction and Red dot remap

c2v12
30-10-2008, 07:49 PM
i'l show my arse in the co op window if you get another 18bhp from gsr and remap. love to be wrong on this one. but 150bhp is a fuking lot of power out of a 1600 on factory cams and head and inlet manifold/ throttle body. you talkin honda vtec power out of a warm hatch, no way would citroen detune a motor to such an extent, time people stopped dreaming

c2v12
30-10-2008, 08:04 PM
but like iv said in the past i'l hold judgement til i see one of these 150bhp cars on a rolling road straight after a bog standard untouched same model car.
when you say you have x bhp at the flywheel how you working this out cause every r/r i been on gives you @ wheels figure?? so without a proper engine dyno you cant possibly quote a certain figure!!!
what id like to see is the above (r/r standard before etc.), @ wheels figure and a before and after printout (as in that certain car with 150 bhp dyno'd before anymod so we have an exact bhp gain) if you really wanna argue the case prove me wrong, take all bits off and dyno it then put stuff back on and dyno it again, (small price to pay and easy enough to do it'd actually prove something 100%)iv been in this game myself for 15 years before any teen agers try to start preachin to me, all i say is lets see the no buts proof

Oldschool
30-10-2008, 10:10 PM
but like iv said in the past i'l hold judgement til i see one of these 150bhp cars on a rolling road straight after a bog standard untouched same model car.
when you say you have x bhp at the flywheel how you working this out cause every r/r i been on gives you @ wheels figure?? so without a proper engine dyno you cant possibly quote a certain figure!!!
what id like to see is the above (r/r standard before etc.), @ wheels figure and a before and after printout (as in that certain car with 150 bhp dyno'd before anymod so we have an exact bhp gain) if you really wanna argue the case prove me wrong, take all bits off and dyno it then put stuff back on and dyno it again, (small price to pay and easy enough to do it'd actually prove something 100%)iv been in this game myself for 15 years before any teen agers try to start preachin to me, all i say is lets see the no buts proof

Get your bum down to Watford with a standard car and we will prove it.

BTW, we haven't go a Co-op down here and I will need proof of it with photo but no photoshopping. :wink:

Darkshadows
30-10-2008, 10:32 PM
Im with pete i have a few friends that has been in the industry i also have been studying since i was like 13 Yes i might be 18 but i know what i am talking about i have had advice from pete and i know what can be done with the c2

Why do you think i got rid of a clio 172 for one as i know it can be better than the clio !

Really i really wanna get my car to 150 bhp now jsut to show people =]

hughes741
30-10-2008, 11:33 PM
Im with pete i have a few friends that has been in the industry i also have been studying since i was like 13 Yes i might be 18 but i know what i am talking about i have had advice from pete and i know what can be done with the c2

Why do you think i got rid of a clio 172 for one as i know it can be better than the clio !

Really i really wanna get my car to 150 bhp now jsut to show people =]

pmsl better than a clio 172 you are in dreamworld . pete is telling you porkies

c2v12
30-10-2008, 11:53 PM
i don't think its upto me to come down there pete. in reality if your saying you can get a c2 upto 150+bhp with manifold,system,your filter and a re-map, i thinks its down to you and your buddy's to go to a neutral r/r and show what your set ups are capable of, End of the day its you that will be making all the money out of this not me. its funny how the saxo lads can't get anywhere near that with virtually the same engine with same mods, i remember when people were claiming 160bhp with those by simple fast road cams and head work plus the usual breathing mods, thats been proved time and time again to be more like 140bhp, so til its proved i'l carry on thinking your all nuts

Darkshadows
31-10-2008, 01:08 AM
Im with pete i have a few friends that has been in the industry i also have been studying since i was like 13 Yes i might be 18 but i know what i am talking about i have had advice from pete and i know what can be done with the c2

Why do you think i got rid of a clio 172 for one as i know it can be better than the clio !

Really i really wanna get my car to 150 bhp now jsut to show people =]

pmsl better than a clio 172 you are in dreamworld . pete is telling you porkies

No i am not actually

1. Insurance group 8 to group 16 or so
2. tax 120 odd a year - 120 6 months
3. Power can be more
4. more mpg
5. do you really want me to carry on


6. final one i dont know why i come on here last post i make



Ever want to find my car AT 150 bhp about check me out on

were i am usal with people that know that it will work !

People who ar intrested will know were i am

WelshC2
31-10-2008, 01:25 AM
Reading this thread makes me laugh LOL... I agree with Chris on this that a C2 will not be better than a 172. Its simple mathematics, but then you harp about insurance groups and all that crap when the thread is on about BHP. get with the programme.

And as for this certaing BHP that people are claiming, if you get the car and it says 150 bhp then you take it to another r/r and then another and they all come out consistently then you are in business untill then why dont people realise that these companies that has rolling roads CAN tweak them so they show higher outputs.

As for this GSR inducion kit, i aint looked into it atm, i may do intime but i just think people are now quoting high figured gains from 110bhp cars when Clive got not alot for his money when he got zorst,manifold de-cat, BMC and a remap and he cat 125 bhp.. 15bhp gain from all that ...

c2v12
31-10-2008, 01:39 AM
i'v made my point, till i see r/r proof of this i'l simply drop the matter, wont be long before your up for a nobell prize as tuning developer of the year lol

Oldschool
31-10-2008, 02:11 AM
i don't think its upto me to come down there pete. in reality if your saying you can get a c2 upto 150+bhp with manifold,system,your filter and a re-map, i thinks its down to you and your buddy's to go to a neutral r/r and show what your set ups are capable of, End of the day its you that will be making all the money out of this not me. its funny how the shedaxo lads can't get anywhere near that with virtually the same engine with same mods, i remember when people were claiming 160bhp with those by simple fast road cams and head work plus the usual breathing mods, thats been proved time and time again to be more like 140bhp, so til its proved i'l carry on thinking your all nuts

The mistake in your assumption is that you are referring as to the same mods. It isn't the same mods.

Also I use 6 different rolling roads.

You are not very consistent with your argumentation.

@ hughes741 - What have I been telling darkshadows?

Oldschool
31-10-2008, 02:51 AM
i'v made my point, till i see r/r proof of this i'l simply drop the matter, wont be long before your up for a nobell prize as tuning developer of the year lol

You can redicule it as much as you want to. And I am certainly do not come up to prove again, what even my competitors accept.

You are entitled to your opinion. But it won't give anyone any facts.

@ WelshC2 - What exhaust you are referring to. A lot of the exhaust I come accross are power killers because they are built by welders and not being calculated.

The BMC CDA is a filter and not an induction. I have been working with the CDA since it has been introduced. To have the full potential of it internal reworking is needed and the hose delivered with it needs binning.

And who re-mapped it? Actually, I think I know who did it according to the description.