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C2kev
15-03-2008, 12:07 PM
im looking at getting a HID kit, whats the best to go for? 4300K, 6000K, 8000K, 10000K ? what does everyone else have?

i have my eye on these......

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/XENON-HID-CONVERSION-KIT-BIXENON-H4-HI-LO-H4-3-6000K_W0QQitemZ190206123565QQihZ009QQcategoryZ7223 5QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoho sting

Dean-Vts
15-03-2008, 12:09 PM
6k thats wat id go for

cliveGT
15-03-2008, 08:09 PM
i have the 8k well pleased with them.

chambers
15-03-2008, 08:55 PM
How come those ones are so cheap?

Will any H4 xenon HID kit fit the C2?

Also how do you fit them where does the power come from? The standard light plug?

C2kev
15-03-2008, 11:20 PM
cheap coz they are from hongkong and not rip off UK. he has good feedback so must be good. as for fitment i think they will fit but not 100% sure. anyone know if will they fit?

chambers
15-03-2008, 11:22 PM
Just been looking about and I think it goes on so long as fitment is the same as the standard bulbs but hopefully someone can confirm this

C2kev
15-03-2008, 11:23 PM
thats what i thought

lazy_pie
15-03-2008, 11:29 PM
they will fit yes , i have 8000K , if its a mk2 c2 you have you need a resistor loom or it will keep telign you all your front lights are out when there not lol

C2kev
15-03-2008, 11:34 PM
so thats 2 members with 8000k, gonna order a set set tomorrow. and its a MK1 so shouldn't need the resistors

lazy_pie
15-03-2008, 11:35 PM
should be fine matey

dave_beast
16-03-2008, 12:43 AM
I sell 4300k and 6000k H4 Bi-Xenon kits, I have 6000k's on mine - Imho, I think 8000k look too blue and will attract attention from the peelers....

Hold on Clive, how do you get around that? ;)

chambers
16-03-2008, 08:31 AM
Stupid question, whats the difference between Xenon and Bi-Xenon is it thas Bi Xenon have the hi and low beam in one bulb?

lazy_pie
16-03-2008, 10:02 AM
Stupid question, whats the difference between Xenon and Bi-Xenon is it thas Bi Xenon have the hi and low beam in one bulb?

yes

Simon72
16-03-2008, 10:07 AM
Stupid question, whats the difference between Xenon and Bi-Xenon is it thas Bi Xenon have the hi and low beam in one bulb?

Hope this answers your question ;-)

LOW BEAM Kit
If your vehicle uses 2 pairs of bulbs, 1 for low beam & 1 for high beam, use this kit for your low beams. An additional kit may be purchased to convert your high beams as well. (NOT SUITABLE FOR A C2)

HIGH/LOW XENON(2 Ballasts) Kit
If your vehicle uses 1 pair of bulbs which function as low & high beams, you may choose this kit & not loose your high beam function. Each bulb requires 1 ballast & functions as the high & low beam. (CHEAPEST OPTION USES A MOVING BULB)

BI-XENON (4 Ballasts) Kit
If your vehicle uses 1 pair of bulbs which function as low & high beams, choose this kit & retain your high beam function. Each bulb has 2 true xenon bulbs in 1 lamp. 2 ballasts are required for each bulb so a total of 4 ballasts come with the kit. This is the ideal choice for high & low beam function but worth the extra cost due to using 4 ballasts & dual lamps in each bulb. (EXPENSIVE OPTION)

Simon72
16-03-2008, 10:19 AM
If you want a bit of colour in your HID B-XENON kit then have a look here...

http://www.midnightstyling.co.uk/hid-conversion-kits/car-hid-conversion-kits/extreme-colour-hid-conversion-kits/extreme-bi-xenon-hid-conversion-kits.html

chambers
16-03-2008, 02:53 PM
Thanks for that Simon, think I would go for the cheap moving bulbs when I get round to it :-)

Just seen the red one on that site, you are just asking to be pulled if you have them

C2kev
16-03-2008, 07:04 PM
do these kits affect the MOT at all? are they legal with it being 3 times brighter than standard?

chambers
16-03-2008, 07:23 PM
Says there should be no problems so long as the beam is adjusted correctly

cliveGT
16-03-2008, 07:41 PM
no they are MOT friendly :D i am use to driving with blue lights Cee lol :P

Bump
16-03-2008, 09:35 PM
no they are MOT friendly :D i am use to driving with blue lights Cee lol :P

But then again you passed an MOT with no CAT on, hmm..... :whistle:

Artermis
18-03-2008, 07:58 AM
on the subject of HIDs.....

got my brother Grimsby.Joe a set of these for his birthday and will be fitting them for him shortly, but am interested in the blown bulb warning and any necessary work around required. his is 07 plate (mk2?).

i aint had a chance to find out for myself whether the head lights are on the blown bulb warning circuits (they aint on my alfa!) but Joe seems to think they will be on his C2.

any hints tips or clues would be most welcome lads!




also to answer the main topic question, Joe has got 6k colour temp for his C2 as its what he wanted, but i got 8k on the alfa and am more than happy with them, although people do comment on them being a tad blue. will see if i can get a comparison shot when they fitted

scoopybadboy
18-03-2008, 08:03 AM
i have just brought a 8K set form HIDdirect. came next day!! and was 89.99 gets fitted saturday morning! :D

C2GT18
18-03-2008, 08:19 AM
i have just brought a 8K set form HIDdirect. came next day!! and was 89.99 gets fitted saturday morning! :D

thats a good price!,

scoopybadboy
18-03-2008, 08:37 AM
yh couldnt believe how quick i got it, was dispatched like 50min after i ordered it and i ordered it at like 3pm :D

islandofshame
18-03-2008, 01:18 PM
quick question bout this, with these bulbs burning at such a high temperature are they not really prone to blowing?

also, with the 2 ballast kit can you simply replace the bulb or is the moving mechanism all integrated with the bulb?

how much do 6000k bulbs retail for normally?

and lastly, is there any chance that the police could decide to crackdown on cars that have aftermarket HID kits?

cheers

Rossington
18-03-2008, 01:21 PM
i think you should get them and post instructions on here how to get them up and running :)

islandofshame
18-03-2008, 01:27 PM
i'm seriously tempted btw, where do people tend to mount the ballasts?

chambers
18-03-2008, 08:52 PM
on the subject of HIDs.....

got my brother Grimsby.Joe a set of these for his birthday and will be fitting them for him shortly, but am interested in the blown bulb warning and any necessary work around required. his is 07 plate (mk2?).

i aint had a chance to find out for myself whether the head lights are on the blown bulb warning circuits (they aint on my alfa!) but Joe seems to think they will be on his C2.

any hints tips or clues would be most welcome lads!




also to answer the main topic question, Joe has got 6k colour temp for his C2 as its what he wanted, but i got 8k on the alfa and am more than happy with them, although people do comment on them being a tad blue. will see if i can get a comparison shot when they fitted

I am also interested about the blown bulb warning, not sure what type of resistor you wouldneed (I assume it gonna be some specials costly type)

cliveGT
18-03-2008, 08:56 PM
i have just brought a 8K set form HIDdirect. came next day!! and was 89.99 gets fitted saturday morning! :D

there the ones i got mate and from them :D i will get some pics tom in the daylight where i have placed everything :D

cliveGT
19-03-2008, 09:46 AM
Right i have some pics (not that good mind as its all covered now)

The 1st one is of the HID bulbs inside the light.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/clivevtr/19032008239.jpg

2nd, is of the ballist,relay and wires tucked away in the batt box, and the live feed from the batt which goes to the relay- to the ballist- to the light, and on the other side the same but the wire is long enough to reach :D You do have 2 earths coming from the HID's which i just connected to the neg on the batt
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/clivevtr/19032008241.jpg

The driver side, you can just make out the ballist tucked away, the wires are going into the rear of the light, and back around to the batt side
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/clivevtr/19032008243.jpg

scoopybadboy
19-03-2008, 02:43 PM
im avin an mod shop fit mine clive but cheers the pics buddy!

Carlosjpt
19-03-2008, 06:19 PM
i got 8000k on mine...the choice is between 6000k or 8000k either one is good! as for fitting its dead easy, just a matter of pluging in a few sockets...

i got my ballasts under my headlights, im proud to say it looks much tidier than yours Clive....:P i have had mine for 3 month now..and they are still going strong..:D and i have them in my angel eyes, which blow bulbs like nothing i have ever seen...

chambers
19-03-2008, 06:42 PM
so does the power have to come direct from the battery via a relay then? also does anyone know about the resistor required for the mk2?

Carlosjpt
19-03-2008, 07:09 PM
no mate...everything plugs into your existing wire loom!! as for the resistor im not sure...

dave_beast
19-03-2008, 07:36 PM
I'm now selling the slimline ballast which will fit into the headlight housing! So no holes or anything required in the C2's rear headlight cover!!!

I'm moving my ballasts in there tomorrow....

Here's a size comparison with a 50p

http://www.xenon-lights.co.uk/ballast_starter.jpg

dave_beast
19-03-2008, 07:40 PM
And if anyone is interested, the fitting instructions for H4 Bi-Xenons http://www.xenon-lights.co.uk/fitting/Fitting_instructions_and_warranty_H4.pdf

chambers
19-03-2008, 07:40 PM
no mate...everything plugs into your existing wire loom!! as for the resistor im not sure...

whats the cable that is connected to the battery on Clives photo is that not part of the HID kit?

Cee2_VTS: Can you advise if I need a resistor for the mk2 and if so which one?

chambers
19-03-2008, 07:42 PM
Just checked the fitting instructions Cee2_VTS posted and it seems that step 9 connects a relay to the battery so I would recon that the main power comes from the battery with the standard loom just being used to trigger the relay. Are your different to this Carlos?

Also I have just seen that Cee2_VTS will sell them for only 115 so for the little bit more you get a UK seller who is a memeber so you know you will get good service. Can you confirm about the relay and resistor above mate as I would just prefer to order them off you in the future than from abroad

dave_beast
19-03-2008, 07:51 PM
Chambers, a resistor will be needed, I don't have any atm, but I can get them, drop me a pm.

The main power does come from the battery with 1 sides original headlight feed being used as the trigger - This triggers the relay which feeds power to both ballasts directly from the battery (only 2 ballasts like most other kits) and then on to the xenon capsule. The hi-lo trigger wire from the original feed is fed back to the relay, then back to the solenoid on the xenon capsule to move the light source from the dipped beam position to the high beam position.

chambers
19-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Good stuff mate, thanks for letting me know. Will hopefully be after a set in a few months or so need to get a towbar kit first so will PM you a bit closer to the time

dave_beast
19-03-2008, 07:54 PM
No problem, and yes, order from me!!! :clap:

I don't sell 8000k H4 kits as there's never been much interest in them tbh, concentrating more on oem colours like 4300k and 6000k

I'm going to integrate 8000k into my page later on tonight

If anyone wants 8000, drop me an email after ordering online and i'll gladly supply that colour (And 10k,12k or 14k (pink lol))

C2kev
19-03-2008, 07:54 PM
Chambers, a resistor will be needed, I don't have any atm, but I can get them, drop me a pm.

The main power does come from the battery with 1 sides original headlight feed being used as the trigger - This triggers the relay which feeds power to both ballasts directly from the battery (only 2 ballasts like most other kits) and then on to the xenon capsule. The hi-lo trigger wire from the original feed is fed back to the relay, then back to the solenoid on the xenon capsule to move the light source from the dipped beam position to the high beam position.

so whats the difference between yours for£115 and thes for £60 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/XENON-HID-CONVERSION-KIT-BIXENON-H4-HI-LO-H4-3-6000K_W0QQitemZ190206123565QQihZ009QQcategoryZ7223 5QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoho sting

dave_beast
19-03-2008, 07:58 PM
Chambers, a resistor will be needed, I don't have any atm, but I can get them, drop me a pm.

The main power does come from the battery with 1 sides original headlight feed being used as the trigger - This triggers the relay which feeds power to both ballasts directly from the battery (only 2 ballasts like most other kits) and then on to the xenon capsule. The hi-lo trigger wire from the original feed is fed back to the relay, then back to the solenoid on the xenon capsule to move the light source from the dipped beam position to the high beam position.

so whats the difference between yours for£115 and thes for £60 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/XENON-HID-CONVERSION-KIT-BIXENON-H4-HI-LO-H4-3-6000K_W0QQitemZ190206123565QQihZ009QQcategoryZ7223 5QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotoho sting

They're from China - the ballasts look like they're at least 2 yrs old generation 1 Bosch copies which can flicker annoyingly every few seconds.
If they go wrong, you have to foot the bill of shipping back to China.
I admit, the wiring kits I get from China as they're a no brainer, but the ballasts and xenon capsules are German and British respectively.

At the end of the day, you pays your money and takes your chances lol. I pay £100 for the parts in my Bi-Xenon kit, and that's why i'm still in business 1 yr later!

djboxster
26-03-2008, 08:46 PM
What is a resistor where to put it and where to buy it?

dave_beast
26-03-2008, 09:54 PM
http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/loada-solution-bulb-warning-turn-larger-bulbs-p-1213.html?osCsid=ba5e9efd622c948c282dc636c0b89dc6

Connect the live wire to the live supply for the HID (1 per side) and the earth wire to an earthing point on the car body.

chambers
27-03-2008, 09:43 AM
I have just thrown out a set of those, I thought there would be some sort of special plug in resistor to keep things neat? Does nothing like this exist?

scoopybadboy
27-03-2008, 09:54 AM
had them fitted and wow is all i can say. i got 8k in mine and there mint

chambers
27-03-2008, 10:07 AM
Just looking at the instructions here

http://www.hids4u.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=65&cat=15&page=1

It seems that these kits dont need to take the power from the battery and it all comes from the standard wiring.

Cee2_VTS: can your kits be hooked up the same way as I would prefer it like this without stray wires

RobboC2VTS
05-09-2008, 09:16 AM
Clive, any pics of the hids working?

im looking at getting 8000k for my standard style headlights

cheers :)

cliveGT
05-09-2008, 10:22 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/clivevtr/14032008237.jpg

RobboC2VTS
05-09-2008, 11:07 AM
looks good! dont look as blue as carlosjpt's 8000k's...

EH_Fella
09-09-2008, 01:52 PM
Hi guys,

Am after HID's myself in my MK2 VTS; does anyone actually use their full beam anymore?! :D

A load of peeps on SCN were going to use Diane-Shop on eBay - Hi/Lo Kit for £70 delivered from HongKong here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BI-XENON-HID-CONVERSION-KIT-H4-6000K-HI-LO-DUAL-BEAMS_W0QQitemZ290258818456QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m290258818456&_trkparms=72%3A12|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14).I have heard nothing but good things about them thus far.

Does anyone here with a MK2 have photos of their install? I would rather have a tidy install with no modifications to the light housing etc i.e. cutting for larger bulbs, wires and so on.

If I remember rightly, on the Leon one ballast was velcroed to the battery housing, the other wedged between the chassis and the light and the wires were wrapped around existing stuff (the person I got the Leon from removed the HID's so I only had a brief look).

I've seen the fella here sells them for £115 and they are the slimline ones. Do you also do Saxo VTS mk2 kits? If so can I get discount ;) Or if I arrange a group buy!!

Cheers

WelshC2
09-09-2008, 09:34 PM
Go on hid-direct cheap and good quality ;)

As for fitting its neat as its under the headlights so out of the way. I however had to get a small power tool and grind a mm out of the metal part that surrounds where the bump goes in. But it was 2min job.

EH_Fella
10-09-2008, 06:21 AM
Did you get the superslim ones from there mate? It says 'for motorbikes' but assume they function in the same way? I've had a look at bi-xenon but didn't realise it used four ballasts! I thought bi-xenon was two but the bulb moved back and forth for main/full beam?

chambers
10-09-2008, 06:36 AM
Just remeber that if you get them you MAY have problems at MOT time, depends on your tester but I read on here somewhere that you had to have a certain type of housing for HID's that the C2 doesnt have

EH_Fella
10-09-2008, 06:38 AM
HID's are illegal on vehicles which do not have auto-washers or self-levelling lights and as such, are usually an MOT fail! What do you mean by 'housing' ?

chambers
10-09-2008, 06:43 AM
yeah it was that self leveling malarky I meant :-p

EH_Fella
10-09-2008, 06:53 AM
I'm sure the garage I use for all my cars will overlook the HID's if I ask nicely :) I'm not sure why Citroen don't have self-cleaning lights yet..Renault Clios from 2002 do as do Meganes..but nevermind I'm only going for 6000k so nothing to upset the old bill or other drivers!

C2kev
12-09-2008, 09:12 AM
well i finally bought myself a set of HID's, i went for 6000k Hi/Lo H4flex kit with slim ballasts. Paid £63 from ebay

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/c2kev/DSC00098-1.jpg
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/c2kev/DSC00099-1.jpg

gonna fit them tommorow, looks pretty straight forward to do but theres a lot of wires/ballasts to hide somewhere. i will take some before and after pics of the results also

chambers
12-09-2008, 09:22 AM
looks good mate, where does the power come from on them, the battery or the standard loom?

Also are they going into standard lights or angels?

C2kev
12-09-2008, 09:26 AM
looks like they connect to the battery/fusebox and to one bulb connection on the standard loom. fitting them into standard lights

RobboC2VTS
12-09-2008, 09:39 AM
I just fitted my 8000k HID kit today :D my fingers are killing! space is also very tight.

im very pleased with it tho!

chambers
12-09-2008, 09:42 AM
get some pics up mate.

You got a link to the ones you bought?

RobboC2VTS
12-09-2008, 09:55 AM
the pictures make it look whiter than what it is.. i will get some pictures when it is darker to show the improvement :D

EH_Fella
12-09-2008, 10:57 AM
C2Kev - the slimeline ballasts should fit inside the light in some way, shape or form!

C2kev
12-09-2008, 06:59 PM
quick question to all that have fitted HID kits......look at the pic below and tell me if they look right, only one has the black piece around the element but are they both supposed to? or is one the right and one the left bulb? :???: :???:


http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/c2kev/DSC00100-1.jpg

dave_beast
13-09-2008, 07:33 AM
Yes it is meant to have the black piece on both bulbs, it's an anti glare shield, that stops light leaking out into the headlight when on dipped beam. Without the shield there it will cause untold amounts of glare for other road users.

C2kev
13-09-2008, 08:33 AM
cheers mate thats what i thought, just waiting to hear back from the seller now

C2kev
19-09-2008, 05:10 PM
well i had the HID kit replaced by the seller no problem and its now fitted in the car, just waiting for it to get dark so i can go out and play :thumb: . like robboc2vts said, space is very tight, especially on the passenger side, my finger tips feel bruised and sore from trying to get the bulb spring clamp back on

WelshC2
19-09-2008, 05:23 PM
Easy answer remove the headlight ;)

I did simply because i was worried bout breaking the bulbs as they are soo long.

C2kev
19-09-2008, 07:51 PM
just been out for a spin down some dark country B roads to test the lights, best £60 i have spent! so much better than the standard sh1tty halogen bulbs. very impressed, one thing though, are they supposed to get gradually brighter after you turn them on? they start dim then get brighter over 2-3 seconds like they are warming up or something :???:

RobboC2VTS
19-09-2008, 08:17 PM
yeah my hids are the same... same as all hids, takes a few seconds to get its brightest :D

lip_vts
04-10-2008, 09:48 PM
i know this thread has been dead for a while now but i did a abit of research and found this thread
so my question is are 6000k hid kits safe in angel eyes or would i be better having them in my standards?

WelshC2
04-10-2008, 10:09 PM
Safe as in which way mate,

The K is just the brightness so it does not matter what Kelvin you go for. But Hids are fine in angels :D

lip_vts
04-10-2008, 10:11 PM
ok cheers mate gonna order some angels and 8000k i think depending how blue they are (ellis is outside in the rain taking pics as we speak lol)
whers the best place to get angels from too?

WelshC2
04-10-2008, 10:17 PM
8k FTW ;)

As for angels search around, look to pay about £140 and dont be suprised if the clips are broke, just send them back. I know my mate got three sets before they were intact :D

lip_vts
04-10-2008, 10:19 PM
ive found them on cituning obviously but their 180 qith carriage ill look around

islandofshame
11-10-2008, 11:00 PM
Hi there,

Just for clarification, having HID's in my standard headlamps - illegal or legal?

If a bulb blows on a Hi/Lo kit, can you simply replace the bulb or do you have to replace the whole bulb mechanism aswell?

Cheers

C2kev
12-10-2008, 07:39 AM
you can replace the bulb as long as it has the same connectors on it, this is one of mine........


http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/c2kev/DSC00099-1.jpg

Jeremy_VTR
04-12-2008, 06:33 PM
Here's the links I was looking for, explaining the DfT's view on HID lights, and a sensationalist YT video from AutoExpress which is a bit "Daily Mail" for my liking.

I've contacted hids-direct about their costs, specifically why they haven't come down with the VAT reduction (they still list it separately, at 17.5%) but they haven't replied. Perhaps they've gone bust. I'm reluctant to give them any of my money now.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yVuSSdZNsZw

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

walshy_VTR
04-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Just a quick one guys...

am after HID's for my vtr, looking at 6000k from hids-direct....
is there much difference between the xenons with 2 ballasts, and the bi-xenons with 4 ballasts?

Which would you go for?

cheers

Jeremy_VTR
06-12-2008, 09:49 PM
Xenons with 2 ballasts alter between dip and main beam instantly by virtue of a piece of metal that moves and alters the beam shape.

Those with 4 have separate "bulbs" for dip and main beam so when you switch to main beam you have to wait for the bulb to warm up, whereas the first type is already warmed up.

The first type are better and cheaper.

onephat
06-12-2008, 11:43 PM
Hi there,

Just for clarification, having HID's in my standard headlamps - illegal or legal?

If a bulb blows on a Hi/Lo kit, can you simply replace the bulb or do you have to replace the whole bulb mechanism aswell?

Cheers

Illegal

Jeremy_VTR
08-12-2008, 11:25 AM
Bulbs available separately about £25. But they shouldn't fail because there's no filament, which is the weak point in a trad bulb.

See my thread above with links to DfT website re legality.