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    wow, i think that's a first... bit of 90's style part, but i like it, maybe because it's black. one of my favourite cars here
    ***7x17 Wolfrace Hustle***windows tinted***Pipercross Viper***Remus rear silencer***custom rear lights***Eibach -50mm springs
    http://www.c2club.co.uk/showthread.php?306-My-baby...-**progress-update**/page1

    You plan on turboing that thing? You better start spending money on drugs, like all the normal kids

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    any info on the cams themselves? how is the car going, is it "faster"? how are you statisfied with it? what is the mileage?
    ***7x17 Wolfrace Hustle***windows tinted***Pipercross Viper***Remus rear silencer***custom rear lights***Eibach -50mm springs
    http://www.c2club.co.uk/showthread.php?306-My-baby...-**progress-update**/page1

    You plan on turboing that thing? You better start spending money on drugs, like all the normal kids

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    Member Regular Poster wurlycorner is on a distinguished road
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    I think the wheels look great on this - make the car look really 'stocky' and purposeful.
    Where did you get the replacement headlight units please and did you do a thread on fitting them etc?
    Would be interested to see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirian View Post
    any info on the cams themselves? how is the car going, is it "faster"? how are you statisfied with it? what is the mileage?
    Oh yeah! ! It finally feels like the car I paid for, but that's because almost all of it is brand new Citroen parts (honestly cheaper to buy OEM then EuroCarparts or Motordoctor). I thought it may be helpful to list my thoughts on each stage of my build below:

    Setup 1:

    Stock

    Much faster than I expected for a 1.6 and handled great around Stockholm. On a full tank cross country highway I was getting 600KM per tank. And I was able to lap the Nurburgring in 11:02


    Setup 2:

    ECU remap, Full decat exhaust, K&N Air Filter.

    Much, much more low end torque and the ability to steer with the engine in corners. On a full tank X-country I was getting 550KM. And I was able to lap the Nurburgring in 10:06

    Setup 3:

    Catcams with ECU remap to match, Full decat exhaust, K&N Air Filter (and hopefully better air intake).


    Go over 4500 and Boom! It feels like a different car, I didn't want a pop and bang map but as a result of the cams every time you lift over 4.5K it sound so nice! The best part is I currently sit in a total of 2.5 hours of traffic every day in London and it never hunts it's happy to crawl through the city without any issues. Unfortunately extra urban only gets me 25MPG and I will do a X-country tomorrow and let you know, but based on my trip to Geneve last week it may only get .400KM per tank. Most importantly, I want a less than 10 minute lap time at the ring, but it all depends on the traffic on the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wurlycorner View Post
    I think the wheels look great on this - make the car look really 'stocky' and purposeful.
    Where did you get the replacement headlight units please and did you do a thread on fitting them etc?
    Would be interested to see that.

    Which set? The 15's or 17's, I'm not sure which I like the best!

    I got my headlights form https://www.madmotors.co.uk/e-racing...ngel-eyes.html, they cost 159 and they make such a difference as the OEM headlights are terrible They come with bulbs however they are halogen and the LED strip sidelight replacements are around 5600 Kelvin so when mixed they don't look very good. Now the manufacture clearly state not to put HID's in as they will melt the projectors, you may have noticed some modified cars have a terrible projection beam which is due to the HID's melting the projectors. I however have gone for a LED cluster H1 bulb's which are fantastic and do not melt the projector, they are also 5600 K and make the car look so much more sophisticated, much like, in fact better than, the Clio's from this age which came with Xenons as standard.

    Fitting is quite simple, remove the headlights and replace however the sidelights require a canbus resistor and so do the indicators if you wish to change them to LED's to match. Fitting the Canbus LED H1 main lamp is quite simple however it requires a slight modification of the retaining clip. I went through several Amazon special H1 replacement bulbs to find the set I like, be warned there are allot of very cheap knock off bulbs which don't fit and break easily, but amazon being amazon, I got my money back. If you or anyone else are genuinely interested in this modification then I will trawl through my receipts and provide a link to the correct resistors as well as the best bulbs.
    Last edited by Bash; 08-04-2018 at 10:45 PM.

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    This will look better when I put the trim in and take some better photos but for now if anyone want's a cage Megillian Motorsport will sell you a cage which you can bolt in (after welding in the base plates), and they ship to Europe.


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    Well I decided on speed holes and a cage.

    The vents are Renault Megane Mk3 bonnet vents, I love doing stuff to this car as I was able to get the bonnet for free. I don't know many other cars where parts are so easy to come by and if you make a mistake it doesn't matter too much.

    The cage is from https://www.facebook.com/MegillianMotorsport/ and is a MSA spec bolt in cage which are built to order and would cost you £480 + £50 (uk) shipping if your interested in one. Anyway enjoy:















    Thanks for reading, it's been a pleasure working on this car.

    Bash

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    tbh you kinda let me down with the cutouts for the rollbar in the side plastics, was expecting a better job from you, rest of the car is spot-on... like the hood vents, i also have a spare hood that's just begging to be cut and redone, probs a future project. with the rollbar in, car looks epic, very sporty, really spot-on....

    Keep up the good work and keep us informed.
    ***7x17 Wolfrace Hustle***windows tinted***Pipercross Viper***Remus rear silencer***custom rear lights***Eibach -50mm springs
    http://www.c2club.co.uk/showthread.php?306-My-baby...-**progress-update**/page1

    You plan on turboing that thing? You better start spending money on drugs, like all the normal kids

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    Ha ha, thanks buddy! I have already ordered a new set of door cards which are black and will replace the ugly orange cards. Parts for this car are very cheap so there is no harm in making a mistake, I needed to put the cards in for the show I attended so I cut them quickly and didn't remove the cage, now I know the exact amount I need to cut away it will be easier to do in one go rather then un-bolting and re-bolting the cage sevral times.

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    Default How a car wash ended up costing me over £2000.

    Shortly before my last post I sent my car to a car wash to have them clean it, they did such a bad job that I ended up having to clean it again the next day. However I asked them to clean my engine bay but I said, ďplease don't jet wash it!Ē They jet washed it. This broke my lambda sensor and rather than replacing it with a Citroen one like absolutely everything else I decided to get a HAAS sensor for less than £20. This was the second biggest mistake I made, with the 1st obviously going to that crappy car wash.

    Everything was fine for a few months until June when I decided to go to the Nurburgring. However my trip wasnít a pleasant one. Literally at the final gantry my gear linkage snapped and I was only left with selection of 3rd and 4th Gear. My car wasnít happy but it was running enough to get off the track and then the clutch gave up, but thankfully off the track. My clutch gave out on my way to Holland where I had aimed to break down in style.

    However I didnít make it and the closest tow truck available to me was:







    I had them send the car to CitroŽn at the Nurburgring, as CitroŽn are the only people who stock gear linkage cables. CitroŽn then told me that they found my engine was misfiring and cylinder 2 was down to 2 bar of pressure. They fitted a new clutch and I drove it home, black smoke pouring out the exhaust and no power.

    I stopped at Brunchen on the way home to get some photos:






    As a rebuild was required I was able to get an 80K engine for £80 from dkjnthn.



    The plan was simple, rebuild the cams into the new engine and try to understand what cause my failure.



    However when going through the engine we didnít find anything drastically wrong with it.



    The route cause perplexed us but with the goal in mind of rebuilding the engine we progressed. The only major differences noticed as the movement of each piston at TDC, the old engine was wobbly and moved around allot and some marks on the inside of the cylinder which we assume could have been caused by detonation.



    When we compared the two it seemed like detonation had been occurring at race speed which just didnít help my old knocking cylinders.



    There was allotting of overheating present and everything was black.





    So time to rebuild and repair



    Out with the old



    And in with the new



    Thatís a Pug1Off billet flywheel



    Ready to go back in



    Unfortunately when it went back in it didnít solve the problem, the car couldnít idle and black smoke was pouring out the back. Months of trying to figure out what the problem was went by, no one knew. All sensors were ok and reading ok. ECU resets, injectors, fuel pumps and you name it were bought for the car. The only thing that cured it very briefly was re-flashing the ECU map but a few minutes of perfect running was interrupted by the engine struggling to idle, and a shit tonne of black smoke.

    It took us months to diagnose the issue until some amazing Brazilian guy read my Lambda sensor readings again and said that canít be right. Whilst we were reading a voltage from the sensor the only thing the engine was seeing was that the car was running lean. It was triggering the car to dump more fuel in then it needed and all the other sensors were struggling to keep up with the engine environment.

    The Lambda sensor had for whatever reason decided to give up and just sent a signal translating to lean or really lean engine conditions detected. This cased over fuelling and detonation during race conditions which truly screwed everything up. This wouldnít and didnít cause too many problems at low operating conditions but I suppose the Nurburgring is synonymous for making and breaking cars for a reason.

    Itís all fixed now and I pretty much have a brand new Citroen C2, whilst I could have got a car loan for a Clio or Corsa I would never have had a chance to learn like I just did. And I am better for it.

    Fighting, Hating, Loving and Learning. See you on the road


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    Member Regular Poster sebastian is on a distinguished road
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    What a journey. Impressed, as always. The amount of work needed to get back on the road is sometimes overwhelming but the joy when successful is a reward.
    "I'd rather lose by a mile because I built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me. Your car is your story, so don't let someone else write the book." - Moog

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